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Jayam Thaker's avatar

Is Indian Buddhism all gradualist or it was just Kamalashila? Reason I ask is, some Songs of the Mahasiddhas seem to be advocating for causeless enlightenment in Mahamudra tradition.

Ācārya Malcolm Smith's avatar

There were subitist trends in Indian Buddhism, but those were largely overshadowed by a gradualist consensus. The subitist trends flourished outside India in China and Japan in Chan/Zen and in Tibet as Dzogchen and later, Mahamudra.

Jayam Thaker's avatar

Interesting. In India other sudden awakening tradition (like advaita etc) are pretty popular. I would have assumed sudden awekening in Buddhism would have been similarly popular.

Thanks for the info Acharya.

Ācārya Malcolm Smith's avatar

I wouldn’t characterize classical advaita as subitist.

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Ācārya Malcolm Smith's avatar

Certain trends of Mahamudra in India were subitist, but mainly Mahamudra was regarded as the result of the two stages of creation and completion.